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DISC POST #8, JUNGIAN TYPOLOGY POST #16: DISC AND JUNGIAN TYPOLOGY ARE ABOUT COGNITION, NOT MOOD

I have come across this situation on more occasions than one, where I give someone a "mock interview " to look at from the True Types posts, when someone tested as having a certain cognition pattern, and them saying, "That person is nothing like me (from an outward behavioral manifestation standpoint)." Then I ask them, "Well, does the person *think* like you?" Then the person says, "Oh, yes! Thanks!"

And why is that? They are so fixated on today's MBTI, that they were expecting the person's behavior to match theirs for the type to be correct. Sadly, today's MBTI, with "functions" totally based on the MBTI letter cluster behaviors, even though it claims to be a cognition-based typology, is actually closer to a mood-based typology.

The only truly cognitive-based typology systems out there are SOJT and DISC. Well, I thought DISC was about behavior, you say. Yes, DISC, *and SOJT for that matter are* about behavior, however, the behaviors both systems address have a *cognitive* basis, in that they are behaviors that are directly tied to a person's cognition patterns, and are emotionless and moodless behaviors, such as "likes talking", "likes having authority ", "likes consistency", "dislikes change", etc.

I'm going to give an example of 2 people who's outward behavioral manifestations were completely different, yet they had the same thinking and decision making patterns, and therefore, the same DISC result and SOJT differentiation pattern. I talked about this a little bit it in Typing In Practice post number 9, which I will link here:

P!nk is very loud, outspoken, and certainly one we would consider an extrovert. She likely considers herself an extrovert too. I'm not sure how she behaves in authority situations, but based on her cognition, I would say likely respectfully. However, when she's with her friends, she's silly, she cracks jokes, she cusses, and cracks jokes about cussing, even.

Blaine (who changed his name to Chris for his own protection and safety) outwardly manifested a lot differently. He was expressive and highly animated with his body language and facial expressions, and liked talking. Yet at the same time, he spoke softly, he took his turn in talking and actively listened. He was very upstanding and moral, he didn't drink, smoke, party, have premarital sex, etc. He didn't get piercings or tattoos until he was well into adulthood (like 25 or so). He was polite and courteous, and was known for his manners with everyone. He would even be polite and respectful with his friends, deeply cared about them and defended them. He never cussed. He saw himself socially as an ambivert.

Despite their differences, these two actually have the same SOJT differentiation pattern: fe-S. They are also both slot 8 on the DISC wheel, with the result I (S) (C).

First watch the video with P!nk in it; then read the "mock interview" with Blaine (Chris). You will see how even though their behavior was drastically different, the way they thought and made decisions was actually the same:

JUNGIAN TYPOLOGY POST #13: SIMPLIFIED ORIGINAL JUNGIAN TYPOLOGY (SOJT) AND THE MBTI ARE NOT THE SAME

This was a post that I should have made eons ago, but I feel compelled to make it now, because there's a group of MBTI purists who are trying to push their followers to believe Simplified Original Jungian Typology is not Jungian. Sounds crazy, but it's true 🥴

So I guess I'm on a quest to defend Simplified Original Jungian Typology, here, as well as show the differences between the two systems. So let's start.

Simplified Original Jungian Typology (SOJT) had its origin in Europe, among Jung's pupils and their pupils. It types people exactly how Jung did in Psychological Types. It types both your cognition and your differentiation.

So on my blog , when I talk about SOJT type families, I'm talking about all the SOJT differentiation patterns that have the same cognition. It uses terms like, let's take the type ESFP for example, Se-f, fe-S, Se, S-f, etc. to describe the different differentiation patterns that all have the same cognition. What do all those examples have in common? An Se dominant function, and an Fe auxiliary function. They just have different differentiation patterns, for example S-f alternates between Se Fe and Si Fi for the conscious, hence, we don't know whether to label the person e or i, so we just label them S-f (and that's the best description I've written yet for undifferentiated attitude 👏👏👏Yay!).

The Se-f, in this case, would be the fully differentiated type. All fully differentiated types look this way. I've had some of those MBTI purists say that's not Jungian, because it doesn't say "Se-fe". Guys, this is not the MBTI. This is SOJT. It's a totally different typology, and if "e" appears anywhere in the annotation, it means the whole conscious is extroverted; and if "i" appears anywhere in the annotation, it mens the whole conscious is introverted.

One final interesting note I will say about SOJT before I move on, and talk about the MBTI. That's the difference in grades between SOJT and the MBTI. SOJT consistently scores 80% or higher on several metrics, such as accuracy, reliability, validity and test-retest. The MBTI, on the other hand, consistently fails in all those metrics, scoring less than 60% , and that is all forms of the MBTI, including the dichotomy test from the official MBTI 😳, which is the highest ranking of all MBTI methods. If you're wondering why people who are really vested in the MBTI would try to steer you away from SOJT, look no further. It's because they don't want you to know you're mistyped, and they don't want to lose business 🤫

Now, we move on to the MBTI. Dang, where do I begin? There are are so many factions of MBTI, it's not funny. You have Grant Stackers (probably the majority of the community), you have MBTI purists (who use eeii and iiee order/IJs are judgers/IPs are perceivers), you have people who totally type by temperaments (Kiersey, Berens and CS Joseph), you have people who only believe the dichotomy test is valid, etc, and I could go on. I'll just leave it there.

The whole MBTI community is fragmented, the functions mean different things, depending on whose method you're using. The purists have the right and *only* right definitions of the functions, but they tend to disfavor the functions, and prefer to use MBTI facets, MBTI letter cluster behaviors and temperaments over the functions 🤔 That's sadly, where even the purists falter. They fail to realize that *nothing* about the MBTI is accurate.

I don't think I need to share the background story of the MBTI, because I'm pretty sure anyone who reads this knows the story of how the MBTI originated. But Briggs and Myers definitely interpreted Jung their own way. Then Grant got hold of Briggs and Myers' theory, and created his own. And every MBTI theory after Grant is an interpretation of Grant. The MBTI is like a massive, unending, "telephone game", where the message at the end of the line is extremely altered from the original message, and the original message is lost

That's exactly why I tell people to not even bother to use the MBTI to figure out their MBTI type, and to use Simplified Original Jungian Typology and DISC instead. Oh, and by the way, DISC is the only other typology that scores 80% or higher on all the metrics I listed above for SOJT. Yep. SOJT and DISC is the way to go, if you really want to figure out your MBTI type. I tell people that all the time

JUNGIAN TYPOLOGY POST #12: SOJT (SIMPLIFIED ORIGINAL JUNGIAN TYPOLOGY) TERMINOLOGY AND ANNOTATIONS

First of all, I have to apologize here, for not posting this sooner. And I apologize for making reference to , what I *should* have been calling "SOJT types" as "Jungian types". I will go back and change that everywhere in my blog that I feel it needs to be changed, for my blog to be easier to understand.

Second, whenever I make reference to "Jungian typology " on this blog, I am specifically making reference to SOJT, not to the MBTI or any other typology that roots itself in Psychological Types.

In SOJT, types are much more specific than they are in the MBTI. There are only 16 MBTI types. They represent only *16* of the *141* types of SOJT. The 141 types of SOJT *represent different patterns of differentiation of the conscious*.

The SOJT types are written out , much the way they are written in these articles:

If you notice, these people use SOJT annotation to indicate how the conscious is differentiated.

In SOJT, it is assumed that the conscious has the same attitude (except in undifferentiated attitude), which is why they write just Se-f for ESFP, and not Se-fe. We are dealing with SOJT here, which was never corrupted my Isabel Myers, folks

In undifferentiated attitude, it is assumed that the 2 conscious functions have both attitudes, hence why no attitude is indicated; they aren't e or i; they're both e and I, like in this example:

Going back to our ESFP example, (and perfect, because the differentiation pattern represented above could have been an ESFP) an SOJT practitioner would annotate the type as simply S-f, because there is no clear e/i preference in this person. On my "meet the Se-f family" post , I added "E>I" to show why this particular S-f is part of the Se-f family, as opposed to the Si-f family

In undifferentiated auxiliary, it is assumed that the person has both auxiliary functions in their conscious, and they are not indicated, once again, because that information is unclear. Going back to my ESFP example, an SOJT practitioner would annotate this type as simply Se, because there is no clear auxiliary in this person. On my "meet the Se-f family" post, I added "F>T" to show why this particular Se is part of the Se-f family, as opposed to the Se-t family.

Because of varying degrees of differentiation, people can test as "more than one type" in today's MBTI. Vendrah makes that clear in this article here:

It's because, as stated above, the MBTI types represent *only* the fully differentiated SOJT types. Therefore, anyone with a different kind of differentiation in SOJT can actually have fragments of 2 or more MBTI types in their MBTI function test

One of these differentiation patterns,that can lead to this, is a differentiation pattern I've discovered, that also gets its own unique DISC results. I've come to call this differentiation the "double dominant ", because it too, like the undifferentiated auxiliary, has 3 conscious functions, and the person switches dominance between function 1 and function 2 with what they're focused on at the time. I don't know how SOJT would annotate this specific differentiation , but I just annotate it like, going back to our ESFP example , I annotated it as Se-f/Fe-n, representing, the fact that this person has conscious Se, Fe and Ne, and that the Fe can sometimes be triggered to act as the dominant function.

There is also a phenomenon in typing called "short primary, long secondary " that Vendrah talks about in both articles of hers I posted. I mentioned in the typing in practice post on Pink, that, for an ESFP, if you're analyzing their functions or testing them in any way in SOJT, their functions would come out Fe Se Ti Ni. I also mentioned that that's why it's always important to note the x4 when testing/analyzing other people, because you can get situations where the dominant and auxiliary functions are switched, particularly on tests. In our ESFP example, an SOJT practitioner would annotate this as Fe-s. I, however, think I might go back, and modify my annotations to fe-S, to add a little clarity to the situation.

Also, Jung *did in fact say* in Psychological Types, that it is possible for people to have 3 conscious functions. A misconceptions of Jung page on Facebook reminded me that I had in fact read that somewhere in Psychological Types, by mentioning it themselves in a post or comment. When I actually can find where Jung mentioned that, I'll make it clear here.

And here we go:

So, in summary, that's a wrap of a lot of the SOJT terminology and annotations you will see me using on this blog. Anyone who tells you these concepts do not exist, or are wrong knows nothing about SOJT, and doesn't understand the system

ANNOUNCEMENT: CHANGING THE TYPING PROCESS FOR ONLINE TYPING

Hey, everyone, after I have had problems with the few reliable tests that I picked for testing people online recently, here is what I'll be doing from now on, if I get online typing requests:

1. I will send you 10 rows of adjectives from the Trent-Smalley paper DISC assessment. You will rank the adjectives in each line from the most like you to the least like you. I will personally score your results and not a robot.

2. I will ask you to write me 10 instances of yourself thinking and deciding. I will analyze these 10 instances, to figure out which functions are at work in your thinking and decision making processes

3. I will confirm your type with the MBTI facets and letters.

4. I will share the results, including an explanation of why I typed you the way I did. I will explain the reasoning behind every letter. But note in my typings J/P is not a conscientiousness dichotomy. In my typings, it is letter that tells whether the judging or perceiving function is your dominant function.

So yeah, I'm taking all the automation out of my online typings, and I'm going to use my brainpower to type you all. That's what I should have been doing all along.

Thanks for following and reading my blog. I hope you're learning a lot. I sure am.

TRUE TYPES TYPE FAMILIES POST #4: MEET THE Ti-n FAMILY

I have located all 5 SOJT types that make up the Ti-n family. They are 3 slots in the C/I/S profile, and 2 slots in the D/C profile. The slots numbers are 133, 136, 156, 36 and 56.

Here are characteristics that all the 5 SOJT types had in common, and *should* be part of the MBTI type descriptions for INTJ:

All the things listed above *should* be part of INTJ type descriptions in the MBTI, because they were common to all 5 SOJT types in the Ti-n type family.

Now let's take a look at the 5 SOJT types in the Ti-n family, and what makes each SOJT type distinctly different from the other 4:

Ti-n (fully differentiated type)

Read more about Ti-n here:

Ni-t (short primary, long secondary)

Read more about Ni-t here:

Ti (N>S) (undifferentiated auxiliary)

Read more about Ti (N>S) here:

Ti-n/Ni-f (more than one type, with double dominant)

Read more about Ti-n/Ni-f here:

T-n (I >E) (undifferentiated attitude)

Read more about T-n (I>E) here:

TRUE TYPES TYPE FAMILIES POST #3: MEET THE Te-s TYPE FAMILY

I was able to chronicle all 5 SOJT types in the Te-s family that would all be represented in DISC. They all fall under the D/C profile, and are found in the off wheel result D=C, as well as slots 21, 41, 141 and 22. Slot 121 also belongs to the Te-s family, but it is a SOJT type above and beyond the 5 represented in each DISC profile.

Here are the similarities between the 5 SOJT types that make up the Te-s family. These *should* make up the description for the MBTI type ESTJ. But we know how messed up the MBTI is:

What is written above *should* be what an ESTJ type description in the MBTI looks like, Since those were all common characteristics of the Te-s type family.

Let's go on and look at the 5 main SOJT types that make up the Te-s type family, and what makes each SOJT type distinctly different from the other 4

Te-s (fully differentiated type)

Read more about Te-s here:

Se-t (short primary/long secondary)

Read more about Se-t here:

Te (S>N) (undifferentiated auxiliary)

Read more about Te (S>N) here:

Te-s/Se-f (more than one type, double dominant)

Read more about Te-s/Se-f here:

T-s (E>I)

Read more about T-s (E>I) here:

TRUE TYPES TYPE FAMILIES POST #2: MEET THE Se-f FAMILY

I was able to chronicle all 5 SOJT types that belong to the Se-f type family. They are all within the Primary I profile in DISC, and are in slots 5, 6, 7, 108 and 8 on the DISC wheel. These people *should* also be the MBTI type ESFP. But we know how off the modern day MBTI type descriptions are

Here's things that these 5 SOJT types that make up the Se-f type family have in common:

This should be how the MBTI defines the type , ESFP. As noted, their MBTI type descriptions are pretty far removed from the actual list of commonalities among the 5 SOJT type in the Se-f family.

Let's now take a look at each individual SOJT type in the family, and what makes each distinctive from the other 4 SOJT types:

Se-f (fully differentiated type)

Read more about Se-f here:

Fe-s (short primary, long secondary)

Read more about Fe-s here:

Se (F>T ) (undifferentiated auxiliary)

Read more about Se (F>T) here:

Se-f/Fe-n (undifferentiated dominant and inferior)

Read more about Se-f /Fe-n here:

S-f (E>I) (undifferentiated attitude)

Read more about S-f (E>I) here:

TRUE TYPES POST #45: MILTON (FORMERLY MATT)

DISC: C/I/S profile; result: C/I (D), slot 136

SOJT type: Ti-n/Ni-f (D>A, more than one type)

MBTI type most resonant: INTJ. INFP is also resonant, but nowhere as much as INTJ

What were  you  like  in high school? 

In high school, I was somewhat liked, because I was athletic and amiable, but truthfully, for the most part, I was a nerd

What is your  greatest  fear? What do you  do to address it? 

My greatest fear is being wrong, and my mistake being put on display for everyone to see. I'm glad it's never happened

Was  there a time in your life where you felt you hit  rock bottom? What was the  situation  behind  it? 

I think it was when I was in high school. I went to a boarding school, and I found a stash of recreational drugs under the bed I shared with someone. I thought they put them under the bed to say they were mine , and get me kicked out of the school. I had a major falling out with him, and asked to be moved to another dorm room. I was. Years later, I found out the person who put the recreational drugs under the bed we shared was actually distributing them at the school. When I found out, I testified against him in his trial. I thought it was the right thing to do

Where  would  you  put yourself  on the social spectrum, and why? 

I'd say I'm an introvert, but a fairly likeable one. I'm much more amiable than a lot of my introverted coworkers in the laboratory

What are some things that really bother you? 

Boy, there's a lot of things: crowds, chaos, lies, inconsistencies, errors, mistakes...

What,  would you say, are your biggest strengths? 

I'm good at filling in the blanks and finding the holes in a project. I'm also very efficient and get things done. I listen carefully and follow instructions

What,  would you say,  are your  biggest  weaknesses? 

I can come across as cold sometimes, and I'm a very private person. I don't like to share too much of my personal business with others

When  you  switch  your  attitude between  introverted  and  extroverted,  or vise versa,  what are  you  like?

When I'm more extroverted, I will have an angry outburst that is so unlike me. I try to keep my level of socialization balanced, so that this doesn't happen

What was the hardest  thing  you  ever had  to  do? Why was  it  so  hard? 

It was testifying against my former dorm mate in court. Although it was the right thing to do, it greatly altered my life. I was a university student studying chemistry at the time. The police were concerned for my safety, because of things my former dorm mate said. So they had me transfer to another university, move to another city, and change my name. It was all tough consequences I had to face for doing the right thing, but in the end, it was worth it.

What are you  like  when  you're  sad? 

I haven't been been sad for a long time. I really can't remember what it was like.

How masculine/feminine  do  you  feel  in relation  to others  of your  gender? 

I believe I'm average

Here's  4 focuses  you can have in  life: tasks, people,  objects and ideas.  Which one would  be  your  primary focus and why? Which one  would be your  secondary  focus  and why? 

Tasks are definitely first. I'm all about doing things and achievement. Then I would say ideas, because if an idea is not being expressed well, I can bring clarity to it. I do that a lot. But interestingly, people like me more than most other similar people, so I guess we'll add people for a third focus

What do you  do to have fun? 

I get invited to events and go, but still, nothing beats time alone.

What was  the  nicest thing you ever  did  for  someone,  and why did  you  do  it? 

While I was a university student, I contributed money to bail a friend out of jail, and I testified against my former dorm mate in court. I did both of those things because I felt they were the right thing to do.

Thanks, Milton, for sharing with us

Additional typologies I've been able to do since:

Big 5: high O and N; 50/50 C and A; low E (RLxxI)

Enneagram: 5w6 sx/sp

Attitudinal Psyche: LEVF

Greek Temperament Blend: Melancholy/Sanguine

TRUE TYPES POST #44: JAIME S

DISC: Primary I profile; result: I (C)(S), slot 108

SOJT type: Se (undifferentiated auxiliary function, preferring F >T)

MBTI type most resonant: ESFP

What were  you  like  in high school? 

In high school, I was not "in". However, people really liked me, and found me entertaining

What is your  greatest  fear? What do you  do to address it? 

My greatest fear is that I will lose control in various different areas of my life. I'm working on it

Was  there a time in your life where you felt you hit  rock bottom? What was the  situation  behind  it? 

Even when I'm at my lowest, I try to stay positive, so I'm not sure I've ever really felt like I've been there, if I have

Where  would  you  put yourself  on the social spectrum, and why? 

I'm extroverted, but closer to an ambivert than a hard core extrovert

What are some things that really bother you? 

I don't like cruel people or dishonest people. I also don't like being told what to do.

What,  would you say, are your biggest strengths? 

I'm friendly, I care about people and want the best for them.

What,  would you say,  are your  biggest  weaknesses? 

I need a push to hang in there when times are tough. I also have a hard time believing things if I can't see them with my own eyes

When  you  switch  your  attitude between  introverted  and  extroverted,  or vise versa,  what are  you  like?

When I become like an introvert, I become suspicious of people, and have a hard time trusting them. I also tend to think negative thoughts about myself. Other times, I can verbally attack people.

What was the hardest  thing  you  ever had  to  do? Why was  it  so  hard? 

The hardest thing I everhad to do was lose my friends, and make new friends all over again. It was when I was in high school, and I decided to use my time after school on weekdays to study a trade at the technical center, and get certified in it. My friends didn't particularly like this, and dumped me. It took me a while to make new friends all over again, but because of my excellent friend making skills, the time was fun, even though it was long...

What are you  like  when  you're  sad? 

I can be sad on the inside in public, but the only place I outwardly display my sadness is in private

How masculine/feminine  do  you  feel  in relation  to others  of your  gender? 

I feel average

Here's  4 focuses  you can have in  life: tasks, people,  objects and ideas.  Which one would  be  your  primary focus and why? Which one  would be your  secondary  focus  and why? 

First is objects. I love the time I spend working with them. Then, I'd say people, because I'm a fun person to be around. But I think sometimes tasks might be a priority too? 🤔

What do you  do to have fun? 

I like to hang out with my friends or family. I've got to be doing something physical.

What was  the  nicest thing you ever  did  for  someone,  and why did  you  do  it? 

The nicest thing I ever did for someone was hook up a new kid at school with friends, when I was in high school. I did that, because I'm well-connected and have a lot of contacts. It's also sad to see anyone in school having no friends

Thanks, Jaime, for sharing with us

Additional typologies I've been able to do since:

Big 5: low O, C, N; high E; 50/50 A (SCUxN)

Enneagram: 8w7, so/sx, 837

Attitudinal Psyche:

Greek Temperament Blend: Sanguine/Choleric

TRUE TYPES POST #42: ROLANDO S

DISC: D/C profile; result: C/D/I, slot 56

SOJT type: Ni-t (D<A, auxiliary function serves as dominant)

MBTI type most resonant: INTJ

What were  you  like  in high school? 

In high school, I was quiet, independent, and did my own thing. I was not "in".

What is your  greatest  fear? What do you  do to address it? 

I think I've overcome all my fears, and I'm pretty fearless now

Was  there a time in your life where you felt you hit  rock bottom? What was the  situation  behind  it? 

No, my life has always been a constant string of improvements. I started at the bottom, and am working my way up

Where  would  you  put yourself  on the social spectrum, and why? 

Introvert, for sure. I like to be alone most of the time, and I can only take people's presence for so long...

What are some things that really bother you? 

Inaccuracies are thr thing that bothers me more than anything else

What,  would you say, are your biggest strengths? 

I'd say me being accurate and precise to the point that if you give me a project, by the time I get it to you, everything will be right, and nothing will need to be fixed

What,  would you say,  are your  biggest  weaknesses? 

I'm totally not a "people person". That about sums it up

When  you  switch  your  attitude between  introverted  and  extroverted,  or vise versa,  what are  you  like?

I become more persistent, and more determined to do a good job. Sometimes, I might be more aggressive

What was the hardest  thing  you  ever had  to  do? Why was  it  so  hard? 

I'd say it was to turn in something with a mistake. I hate doing that. When I let others view my projects, I want them to be mistake free

What are you  like  when  you're  sad? 

I can't remember the last time I was sad

How masculine/feminine  do  you  feel  in relation  to others  of your  gender? 

I'd say slightly more masculine than most men

Here's  4 focuses  you can have in  life: tasks, people,  objects and ideas.  Which one would  be  your  primary focus and why? Which one  would be your  secondary  focus  and why? 

Tasks is my primary focus. My whole life is about completing work. I'd say second is ideas. I'm always coming up with them

What do you  do to have fun? 

I don't have much time for fun, and that's actually something I need to learn how to do

What was  the  nicest thing you ever  did  for  someone,  and why did  you  do  it? 

I really don't know how to answer this question. I don't interact with people often, and when I do, I'm not sure how they're perceiving my actions. Sorry.

No problem, Rolando. Thanks for sharing with us

Additional typologies I've been able to do since:

Big 5: high O, 50/50 C, low E,A,N (RCxEI)

Enneagram: 6w5, sx/sp, 614

Attitudinal Psyche: LEVF

Greek Temperament Blend: Melancholy/Phlegmatic

TYPING IN PRACTICE #14: BEN VASSERLAN

Ben Vasserlan is a Nardi and Socionics YouTuber, who also hangs out a lot on the Jungian typology subreddit on Reddit. Ben types himself as an INTP, but just like practically everyone else in the MBTI and Socionics communities, he is mistyped. Want to know what his real type is? Read on! I've got you covered.

One time, Ben finally posted a link to a video for my MBTI type in the Jungian typology subreddit.

1. First, I watched the video. While I was watching it, I noted one interesting thing: Ben Vasserlan was definitely not an INTP. He talked very smoothly, and talked for over an hour without showing any signs of discomfort. He also clearly had Dominance traits from DISC above 50/50. Therefore, he was definitely *not* an INTP, as they have only Compliance above 50/50 (INTP =Primary C). Since I was watching the video to learn about myself, more than I was to type Ben, I didn't notice if any other DISC letters were above 50/50 or not.

2. I commented on Ben's post in the Jungian typology subreddit. I asked a question. The functions on my Nardi test were not in the same order that Ben mentioned in the video. I asked him if that might be because at one time , I had an undifferentiated attitude for my Jungian typology type. Ben just skirted around answering the question. He wrote a response, but it didn't answer the question I had. Once again, this wasn't the way an INTP would respond in such a situation.

3. I then asked another question, what Ne looked like as an "Achilles heel " funtion in Nardi. He mentioned how my type didn't have Ne in that position, and got kind of rude with me in his response. I could easily see now that his thinking was focused outward. The fact that he talked so long in the videos about theories and thorough enjoy every minute showed me that his intuition was extroverted as well. He was ENTx at this point with the letters.

4. I used function related themes to determine Ben was ideas first, tasks second; or Ne1, Te2. At this point, we have a type identification: ENTP

5. I then used the MBTI facets to confirm the letters

Ben Vasserlan is not an INTP; he is, in fact an ENTP.

TYPING IN PRACTICE POST #13: ADELE

Adele was another person who I initially typed from a CS Joseph video, where he typed her, like with Michael Jackson, Miley Cyrus and Taylor Swift. I also typed Jennifer Lopez, but I'm going to have to re-assess the functions on her before I write that one up.

Adele is an English singer, who's been through a lot in her young life (compared to mine). I've loved her passion for singing, and thought she'd be interesting to type, so I started with the CS Joseph typing of her, and went from there.

1. Back when I first watched the CS Joseph video, I didn't know a lot about Jungian typology. However, I did know a lot about DISC, and was able to determine that Adele had both D (Dominance) and I (Influence) above 50/50. With that being determined, we are already down yo 3 DISC profiles: D/I, D=I and I/D. The 3 MBTI types that correlate with those DISC profiles are: ENTP, ESTP and ENFJ respectively.

2. Sometime later, I went back to the typing, and used function related themes and the MBTI facets, to determine Adele was a conscious sensor, not a conscious intuitive. Therefore, we have a type identification for Adele, because there's only one MBTI with both conscious sensation and Dominance and Influence both above 50/50 in DISC. That type is ESTP.

3. I confirmed all the other letters with the facets

Adele is an ESTP

JUNGIAN TYPOLOGY POST #10: DEGREES OF DIFFERENTIATION, AND HOW OFTEN DIFFERENT ATTITUDES ARE ACCESSED

There's a lot of improper teaching going on about this concept. There's even a Jung MBTI blogger teaching it as an 8 function model, so I figured this needed to be cleared up.

Not everyone is fully differentiated, as we are finding out through my blog. Fully differentiated people are a *minority* in humankind. The *majority* of people are undifferentiated in at least one way, if not multiple ways. Vendrah talks about that here:

As I mentioned in DISC post 2 and True Types Dynamics post 2, SOJT has 141 types, and DISC accounts for at least 5 of these SOJT types per DISC profile, if not more. The 5 SOJT types each DISC profile contains are:

A fully differentiated type,

A short dominant/long auxiliary type,

An undifferentiated auxiliary function type,

An undifferentiated attitude type

and an undifferentiated dominant and inferior

The top 2 SOJT types listed are "fully differentiated " (in differentiation Phase 4). That term, in a nutshell, means that the person has discovered themselves, and know exactly who they are. In those cases, there is a definite preferred attitude for each function. Under various circumstances, a fully differentiated person will exhibit the attitude opposite of their preferred one, but they have a definite preferred attitude for their conscious, which should be easy for outsiders to observe.

The latter 3 patterns, however, are Phase 3 differentiation patterns. People in Phase 3 are still trying to learn about themselves. Therefore, they might not have an obvious attitude preference on 2 or more functions. They will be going back and forth between the attitudes much more frequently than the Phase 4 (fully differentiated) type would do. The people in this phase of differentiation represent the majority of adults. This is what makes it hard to type these people correctly in the MBTI.

Therefore, if you are one of the vast majority of people, and in Phase 3 of differentiation, my best advice is this: When learning about access to the opposite attitude, don't try to apply the concept to yourself, but rather to an imaginary fully differentiated person in your head.

The reality is, most of us will *not* have definite preferred attitudes on all our functions. It's just that using a fully differentiated person as the foundation makes the concept easier to learn. We just have to keep in mind, though, that the numbers of functions with a definite preferred attitude don't apply to everyone

TYPING IN PRACTICE POST #12: MADONNA

Continuing with the theme of Detroit area "local legends " and "hometown heroes", I am now going to show how I typed Madonna. She was another "local legend" of my era, although she started in music 2 decades after the Supremes did.

Madonna was born in Bay City, MI. That's at the base of Michigan's "thumb", for those who don't know. Her family moved to the Detroit area when she was very young, and she grew up in the suburbs of Pontiac, Auburn Hills and Rochester Hills. Her mother died from cancer at some point, and the family moved to Rochester Hills, because that's where Madonna's stepmother (her dad remarried) already had a home. She had many siblings, biological and through marriage, but one of her favorite siblings was her biological brother Chris. I read an autobiography/biography a while back that Madonna and Chris wrote together. I also have a second-cousin who graduated from Rochester Adams High School, which is also Madonna's alma mater. I asked her if they ever mentioned anything about Madonna attending there. My second-cousin said that yes, and not only do they mention that, but they make a big deal about it. I have never tried typing Madonna until now.

Just a little more background before we get started after her high school graduation, she went to New York to study dance, and dance with dance troupes. Around 1980, she decided she had had enough of just dancing, and she wanted to sing. While her dance troupe was in France, a scout for a record label heard her sing, and wanted to sign her to a recording contract. She turned it down, and told Casey Kasum in 1988, that it was because it was an easy ticket for her to get fame and fortune, but she didn't want it that easy. She wanted to *work hard* to get her contract. So she returned to the US, worked hard, and 2 years later, got a recording contract, that she *worked* for.

Now, I think that's enough background. On to the typing we go. Historically, Madonna has proved to be hard for many typologists to type. I even had a hard time typing her myself. There are a few reasons for that. The first is, in my typing, I found out Madonna has 3 conscious functions. She also is, what Vendrah would call, in this article, "more than one type":

Second, because of being more than one type, it is very hard to figure out, for the typologists who use the Berens Communication Styles or Kiersey temperaments, which one she actually is. I've seen typologists agree that she's ES, but after that, there's always disagreement as to whether she's T or F, J or P. The most common type I see listed for her is ESTP. Close, folks, but no cigar. 😉🤫

Step 1: I typed Madonna using 5 different interview videos. I will post some of them at the end. 2 were from 1984, when Madonna was 26 years old. The others were from more recent years. I watched the videos through several times, carrying out different typing procedures as I went

Step 2: the first time through, I looked for the essentials, such as DISC quadrant and function related themes. In one of the videos I used, Madonna was talking about her friendship with Michael Jackson. She was talking about dominating Michael Jackson and imposing her will on him. In one of her 26 year old interviews, she talks about how she is in music for the fame and fortune, and how she wants to conquer the world. These are just a few examples of things I saw that would place her in the D (Dominance) quadrant of DISC, so that is where I put her. As far as themes, I saw 3. Tasks, objects and people. The tasks and objects were in large amounts. The people was small by comparison. Madonna mentioned relationships and ethics between 5-10 times between the 5 videos. There was no mention at all of ideas. Well, we know she's definitely not an intuitive 😂🤣😆 Because of the 3 themes I was able to narrow down her DISC and SOJT type to either a non wheeled result D=I (-), which correlates with the SOJT type Se preferring T>F ; or Slot 21 on the DISC wheel which is the SOJT type Te-s/Se-f. As far as letters, we have ESTx.

Step 3: the third time through I did a Jungian function analysis on Madonna's instances of thinking and decision making. This is actually what I did to discover my lovely dream people's SOJT types. I wrote out instances of them thinking and deciding, and determined what functions were involved in those thoughts/decisions. Granted, I didn't have to write down Madonna's thoughts and decisions, because they were provided to me in the videos, but otherwise, I executed the procedure exactly the same. The result was Te-s/Se-f.

Step 4: I watched the videos yet again, and this time, looked for facets of DISC. I couldn't slot her, however, I could definitely place her in the D/C profile.

Step 5: Who gets Te-s/Se-f as a SOJT type and the D/C profile? The "more than one type" ESTJ. There are 2 dream people who have this SOJT type: a man named Ariel who we read about in True Types post #30, and a woman named Callie. The commonalities between Madonna and Ariel, and especially Madonna and Callie, since the were the same gender, were absolutely crazy, and made me laugh, they had so much in common 🤣 😂 😆

So anyway, with that, we have a type identification: although Madonna does not fit a type perfectly, I have identified her SOJT type as Te-s/Se-f, and the MBTI type most resonant is ESTJ

Here are the 2 interviews I cited above. I'm only posting the ones I cited:

And here's more information about the SOJT type Te-s/Se-f, in my "mock interview " with Ariel:

TYPING IN PRACTICE POST # 10: MARSHALL MATHERS (EMINEM)

Marshall Mathers (Eminem) is the first of many Detroit area "hometown heroes" I'm going to look at in these "Typing In Practice" posts. He was a "white guy" who made it in rap, a "black artform". Disclaimer: a lot of people type his rap persona, which I would agree is some kind of High D (Dominance) ET type, but nobody ever actually tries to type Marshall Mathers, the true person behind the persona. I'm going to be bold, and actually type the person Marshall Mathers, and not the persona Eminem. Now let's go into how I actually typed him

Step 1: One day, several months ago, people on Reddit were talking about Eminem's MBTI type. There was one response I liked. It said: "8 Mile Eminem: ESTP, The Real Slim Shady: ISTP, Marshall Mathers: ISFP ". The reason I liked the comment was because I had read some articles about Eminem's relationship with his ex-wife and daughters, and he worked the relationships with a kind of submissive attitude. On top of that, I also noticed significant dominance traits (enough to be above 50/50) even in his true personality. Therefore, I figured he was probably S/D in DISC,and as we learned in Typing In Practice post #8, S/D in DISC is the home profile for the MBTI type ISFP. I thought I had this case cracked, and it would be as simple as determining Eminem's perceiving axis. Boy, though, was I wrong.

Step 2: I watched some Eminem interviews to type the perceiving axis , but instead made an interesting discovery! In all 3 videos, the main topic of conversation was people, people, people. And not just that , but talking about people in an interpersonal way. This was Eminem's primary focus, and it was Fe! 😯So much to my surprise, the real Marshall Mathers behind the persona is actually an Fe dom, and belongs in the I (Influencing) quadrant of DISC. He also had significant S (Steadiness) and D (Dominance) traits like I had said before. So at this point , we know the Real Marshall Mathers is in the I quadrant, and Fe is his dominant function, so letter-wise, we have ExFJ.

Step 3: In DISC, there are 2 adjacent slots on the wheel, Slot 46 I/D/S, and Slot 47 I/S/D, that have I, S, and D all above 50/50. However, both those slots have something in common. They're Fe with an undifferentiated auxiliary function. What is the difference? Slot 46 (which was Felipe's slot in True Types post #2) is Fe preferring N>S. Slot 47 is Fe preferring S>N So just like with Erik Thor in Typing In Practice post #7, I knew I would have to determine Eminem's most resonant MBTI, by determining the frequency of S vs . N

Step 4: The next step was to determine the frequency of S vs. N. I did this by writing out the MBTI facets on a piece of paper, and charting how many times sensation and intuition popped up in the videos. Instances were kind of hard to spot because the videos were so overwhelmed with feeling, since the real Marshall Mathers was Fe1, but they were there. Sensation won by about 5 tick marks in the sensation-intuition war.

Step 5: at this point we add S as the second letter to his type, and we have a type, folks.

In summary, the real Marshall Mathers (not the persona) is in Slot 47 on the DISC wheel, and his SOJT type is Fe, preferring S >N. He doesn't fit neatly into an MBTI type, but the MBTI type most resonant is ESFJ.

TYPING IN PRACTICE POST #9: PINK

Pink, who's real name is Alecia Moore, is one of my favorite singers from the 2000s and 2010s. I have a few of her albums. She's a collaborator and promotes harmony and unity, and fights for justice. She's a very passionate singer, and got signed to a recording contract, after being singled out as the most passionate singer in an all female vocal group. She's also very athletic, and does athletic type things in her live shows while she's singing. Without further ado, lete explain how I typed her.

Step 1: I think everybody can tell pretty clearly that Pink has conscious Se. I think that's why most in the MBTI community mistype her as ESTP. And yes, my dear followers and readers, that is a mistype. And please continue reading to see what her type actually is. But the fact that she clearly has conscious Se puts knowledge of her perceiving axis as Se-Ni. At this point, letter-wise we have ESxx.

Step 2: we place Pink in a DISC quadrant. As I mentioned in the intro statement, Pink is collaborating, harmonizing and unifying. Those are actually all traits of people in the I (Influencing) quadrant of DISC. Therefore, sorry Personality Database, and all the websites out there that love to say she's an ESTP. She's definitely not that type, because ESTP is in the D (Dominance) quadrant. At this point letter-wise, now we know ESFx.

Step 3: Although we got there through different means, we are down to the same 2 types we were for Miley Cyrus in Typing In Practice Post#4. So how are we going to settle this dilemma? I did it by watching a few Pink interviews, and looking for the presence or absence of S (Steadiness). If it is largely present, Pink would be ESFJ; and if it's largely absent she would be ESFP. The reason is ESFJ is I/S in DISC, whereas ESFP is Primary I.

Step 4: a hangup glitch kind of thing happened- at least that's what I thought it was, but then I realized it was not. It seemed like her foci were people first , then objects. Fe1, Se2. But there was an issue in the fact that Steadiness was absent. Well, thank goodness for True Types Post#28. Yes, Chris (formerly Blaine) loved to promote harmony and unity, and swoop in and save the day. And he did that again 😂😆🤣, and outside of the context of my head while sleeping this time😂😆🤣. Thank you, my lovely dream dude. I remembered your DISC slot, and realized that Pink is in the same slot on the DISC wheel, the Primary I profile, slot 8.

Step 5: What is Primary I profile, slot 8? Is is the short primary/long secondary slot on the DISC wheel for ESFP. When I was figuring Out Chris's functions for the True Types post they came back on my analysis as Fe Se Ti Ni. Notice, Jungians, how the Se and Fe came back backwards? That's a phenomenon called short primary, long secondary or short dom, long aux for short. It will make a person's auxiliary function appear to be, or test as, their dominant function. The way to recognize this phenomenon is by looking at what the lowest function is, because the lowest function is always going to be the pole of the dominant function, even if another function seems to be eclipsing it. In my analysis, Chris's lowest function was Ni. Therefore, it didn't matter that Fe was higher than Se . Se was still his dominant function. That's why it's always important to note a person's lowest function when you're testing them, folks. You might end up with situations like I did with Chris, and then with Pink.

So in summary the superhero Chris and the superheroine Pink share the same slot on the DISC wheel, and the same MBTI type.

Pink is an ESFP

TYPING IN PRACTICE POST #8: LADY GAGA

Hello, everyone, I sat down in my easy chair this evening, and I was going to finish up two typings, which will likely be posts 9 and 10. But I also dug out biographies and autobiographies of other people I have I'm planning to type. I just got sucked into my Lady Gaga biography, and knew some stuff already from a previous attempt to type her using the biography, and was able to finish typing her in this sitting.

Disclaimer: I know Lady Gaga has a persona that certainly belongs in the EF camp, but I'm going to be bold, and not type her persona, but rather, the person behind it.

Lady Gaga, who's real name is Stefani Germanotta, was brought up in an affluent neighborhood in New York City. She learned early that she had musical skills and theater skills. She studied both music and theater diligently, using traditional tried and true methodologies. Lady Gaga was quoted in the biography, stating that that's a unique thing that sets her apart from her musical competition- her tried and true traditional music and theater education. She also said being as educated as she is, in general, sets her apart. Yet, at the same time, she likes to put fresh and new twists on the tried and true old school stuff she likes. Without further ado, I will tell the process I went through to type Lady Gaga.

Step 1: Last summer (2021), when I read through the biography, I was just starting to learn Jung's definitions of the functions. I saw both D (Dominance) traits in Lady Gaga, in that she kept on plugging away, being determined, and being persistent; and S (Steadiness) traits such as self knowledge, liking routine, and maintaining the status quo. So from that, I was able to conclude that Lady Gaga was on the D-S axis of DISC, or the Te-Fi axis of Jung. I let the typing sit there, and I worked on other typings.

Step 2: A few days ago, I was talking to someone on discord about typings I had yet to finish for typing in practice. I mentioned that I still had to complete Lady Gaga, and that the next step was to determine whether Lady Gaga was D or S. So the first thing I did tonight, when I opened the book, was to look for instances of D and S. I found overwhelming amounts of S and significant amounts of D, and was able to determine that both letters are above 50/50 for her. And with no significant I or C traits present, I was able to assign Lady Gaga to the DISC profile S/D, which is the only DISC profile with only S and D above 50/50. At this point , we know IxFx so far, for letters

Step 3: There are 2 MBTI types that can get S/D results in DISC. S/D is actually the home profile for the fully differentiated Si-f (ISFP), and contains all the ISFP variants. S/D also contains 2 of the variants of Fi-n (INFJ). So, you guessed it, the next step was to identify Lady Gaga's perceiving axis. As I mentioned in the summary of Lady Gaga, she exhibits both sensation and intuition in the following ways: her object focus (sensation) is very old school and traditional. She likes to use her objects in the tried and true, archetypal way. On the other hand , her ideas focus (intuition) is new and fresh. If you've studied Jung's functions long enough, you learn that Lady Gaga's archetypal emphasis on sensation is found in people with Si. Therefore the intuition, to be the pole, must be Ne. Therefore Lady Gaga's perceiving function axis is Si-Ne. At this point, we know ISFx for the letters.

Step 4: So now that we know Lady Gaga's perceiving axis is Si-Ne, let's take a look back at the types I said get S/D results: we have ISFP and INFJ. INFJ has a Ni-Se perceiving axis, the opposite of Lady Gaga's. So we have a type identification...

Lady Gaga, the person (not the persona), is an ISFP